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	<title>Comments on: Journaling into control accounts</title>
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		<title>By: John Younger</title>
		<link>http://blog.xero.com/2008/11/journaling-into-control-accounts/comment-page-1/#comment-843</link>
		<dc:creator>John Younger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 16:18:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have a lot of experience with this and I could not agree more.

Although I am a developer, and have been designing, building and implementing systems for many years now, I come from an accounting background myself and I have seen this many times. 

Programmers who understand accounting are very rare. I am constantly appalled at the lack of integrity in accounting systems, particularly in the interfaces from other systems into accounting. I can tell instantly when those interfaces have been designed and written by developers who don&#039;t understand accounting.

You should NEVER journal into a Control account.
This is not limited to Debtors : it applies to Creditors, Bank, VAT or GST, Inventory Control, and so on.

A control account should accurately balance to the transactions in the sub ledger that it represents, and posting manual journals into the GL Control Account breaks that reconciliation, by definition. 

It just shouldn&#039;t be done. 
Any need you have to change the balance in the Control Account should be met by posting the appropriate transaction(s) in the relevant sub-ledger, which would then flow on into the Control account in the GL. 
Expressed differently - if the Control account balance in the GL is incorrect, by definition this means that one or more transactions in the sub-ledger are incorrect. Find them, fix them, and the Control account will take care of itself.

Last year I had to reconcile an income control account that was a complete mess. This account had interfaces into it representing more than 2 million transactions from the membership system, and the contra entries numbered about 150,000 from the bank account(s). To put it into perspective, more than 150,000,000 pounds had gone through this account ( yes, that was one hundred and fifty million pounds ) and it had NEVER BEEN RECONCILED. God knows what the auditors had been doing....

It took me three months to reconcile it.
I then spent another month going through all of the relevant processes that had caused it to be in such a mess, fixing them, changing procedures, and programmatically introducing checks and controls to stop it recurring. 
The staff can no longer make manual entries into the Income control account, and it&#039;s balanced, perfectly, ever since. 
Just not possible if we were to allow manual postings into the Control account.

Keep up the good work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a lot of experience with this and I could not agree more.</p>
<p>Although I am a developer, and have been designing, building and implementing systems for many years now, I come from an accounting background myself and I have seen this many times. </p>
<p>Programmers who understand accounting are very rare. I am constantly appalled at the lack of integrity in accounting systems, particularly in the interfaces from other systems into accounting. I can tell instantly when those interfaces have been designed and written by developers who don&#8217;t understand accounting.</p>
<p>You should NEVER journal into a Control account.<br />
This is not limited to Debtors : it applies to Creditors, Bank, VAT or GST, Inventory Control, and so on.</p>
<p>A control account should accurately balance to the transactions in the sub ledger that it represents, and posting manual journals into the GL Control Account breaks that reconciliation, by definition. </p>
<p>It just shouldn&#8217;t be done.<br />
Any need you have to change the balance in the Control Account should be met by posting the appropriate transaction(s) in the relevant sub-ledger, which would then flow on into the Control account in the GL.<br />
Expressed differently &#8211; if the Control account balance in the GL is incorrect, by definition this means that one or more transactions in the sub-ledger are incorrect. Find them, fix them, and the Control account will take care of itself.</p>
<p>Last year I had to reconcile an income control account that was a complete mess. This account had interfaces into it representing more than 2 million transactions from the membership system, and the contra entries numbered about 150,000 from the bank account(s). To put it into perspective, more than 150,000,000 pounds had gone through this account ( yes, that was one hundred and fifty million pounds ) and it had NEVER BEEN RECONCILED. God knows what the auditors had been doing&#8230;.</p>
<p>It took me three months to reconcile it.<br />
I then spent another month going through all of the relevant processes that had caused it to be in such a mess, fixing them, changing procedures, and programmatically introducing checks and controls to stop it recurring.<br />
The staff can no longer make manual entries into the Income control account, and it&#8217;s balanced, perfectly, ever since.<br />
Just not possible if we were to allow manual postings into the Control account.</p>
<p>Keep up the good work.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben Kepes</title>
		<link>http://blog.xero.com/2008/11/journaling-into-control-accounts/comment-page-1/#comment-827</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben Kepes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Dec 2008 01:46:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For those of you not exposed thus far to the hilarity that is accountants humour, check out http://www.accountingunleashed.com/2008/07/02/accounting-humor-debits-go-on-the-left/

You&#039;ll come away either wildly amused (assuming you&#039;re a pocket protector using accountant type) or wondering what accountants do after work for fun (answer - fold and sort their business shirts based on chronological purchase date)

Yup - a charismatic bunch ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For those of you not exposed thus far to the hilarity that is accountants humour, check out <a href="http://www.accountingunleashed.com/2008/07/02/accounting-humor-debits-go-on-the-left/" rel="nofollow">http://www.accountingunleashed.com/2008/07/02/accounting-humor-debits-go-on-the-left/</a></p>
<p>You&#8217;ll come away either wildly amused (assuming you&#8217;re a pocket protector using accountant type) or wondering what accountants do after work for fun (answer &#8211; fold and sort their business shirts based on chronological purchase date)</p>
<p>Yup &#8211; a charismatic bunch <img src='http://blog.xero.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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